There
are certain attitudes and behaviours which I consider totally
unacceptable for an administrator on this or any other such site. I
believe the time has come to bring one story to light, although I will
remove the administrator's name.
A little over a week ago, I noticed that an administrator (an administrator whom I liked, in fact) was using
Calvin & Hobbes
clip art in her journal. Being a fan of the strip, I was (and am) well
aware of the cartoonist's consistent refusal to allow his characters to
appear out of context - as he has stated many times, he feels it
cheapens his work. In a book I have, he specifically points out a
particular strip as being a favourite with pirates. It is from this
strip that the administrator in question stole her journal decoration
(a single panel without the context provided by the rest of the strip -
trust me, the strip is meaningless without that context).
I thought it over and checked my facts, and then wrote a note. After
considerable rewriting to make that note nicer, I sent the following:
Hate to say it [name], but I'm pretty sure the Calvin & Hobbes
images in your journal are copyright violations. Bill Watterson has
consistently refused to allow his characters to appear out of context -
this is why he has always refused to allow merchandising and animation,
for instance. He feels it cheapens his characters. He explains his
views in this speech,
and I think you might also be interested in the rest of the speech. If
you don't want to read the whole thing, there are internal links up the
top (which I didn't notice until I had read the whole speech).
Peace,
Patty
Later the same day (my time), I received the following reply:
Ah yes, I was wonderin when someone would poke me with that infamous
speech. I knew it would eventually show up in my messages.
He makes me laugh. With all due respect to dear Mr Watterson he almost comes off angry that he, as an underground artist, has made such a HUGE impact on the mainstream world.
Truth be told, i'm actually working on a new CSS for my journal so I
probably won't have the images up for much longer. Thanks for the heads
up, Patty! I truly honestly mean that. 
She's being nice (in keeping with the view I had of her as a geniunely
sweet person), but that note was basically just a brush-off. Being
somewhat floored by her apparent disregard for copyright laws
(international law and dA policy), I waited roughly a day before
replying. The next note I sent was even more heavily edited than the
first - two close friends (Dawn and Bec) proof-read it for me, and I
removed entire paragraphs which they felt were 'harsh'. I sent the
following:
Until today I'd never heard of the speech - learn something new every day, huh? 
Doesn't it bother you though, publicly breaking international law and dA policy while wearing the admin hat?
I notice that your CSS has changed, but the copyright violations are
still there on previous journals - might want to remove them 
Believe me, that is a shadow of its former self. The next day, I received the following reply:
CSS is handled the same exact way image use in our avatars is. Were
Universal Press Syndicate (the company who owns the copyright to Calvin
and Hobbes) to make a complaint about the images in my journal to the
dA administration I would have to remove it, yes. There is not,
however, a blanket policy in regards to images being used in CSS. I am
not in violation of dA policy.
According to the information provided from Universal Press Syndicate
images may be used for non-commercial purposes. I am not making a
profit nor claiming copyright.
Like I said before, I'm going to remove the images regardless. But, in
the future please don't question my integrity by saying things like
"Doesn't it bother you though, publicly breaking international law and
dA policy while wearing the admin hat?". I am in violation of neither.
You're more than welcome to contact $realitysquared
about my journal through the helpdesk. If there is indeed a problem I
will remove the CSS faster than I am already. I have nothing more to
say about this. Thanks.
This really floored me. I did some fairly thorough fact checking (many
thanks to Dawn for helping with that), and wrote a note. Again, the
same two close friends proofread it. I sent the following
(still-restrained) note:
I'm surprised and disappointed that a former CEA staffer apparently
misunderstands copyright so thoroughly, not to mention your complete
disregard for Watterson's stated wishes and your ignorance of who owns
what rights.
I am not in violation of dA policy
You are in violation of international copyright law. According to FAQ #250: The laws of my country differ from those of the United States- which ones apply?,
dA policy incorporates the whole of US law (which in turn incorporates
the international copyright law I'm talking about). If you break the
Berne convention, you're breaking dA policy.
Were Universal Press Syndicate (the company who owns the copyright
to Calvin and Hobbes) to make a complaint about the images in my
journal to the dA administration I would have to remove it
1. UPS does not own the copyright to Calvin and Hobbes. Bill Watterson does.
The exploitation rights to the strip were returned to me, and I will not license 'Calvin and Hobbes'. - Bill Watterson, [link]
2. You are (were) using Watterson's work in a way he (the copyright
holder) has consistently and specifically forbidden. Why exactly is it
then up to him or his syndicate to notice and complain about your
breaking of the law?
According to the information provided from Universal Press Syndicate images may be used for non-commercial purposes
I call bullshit. Calvin and Hobbes cartoons cannot be used on web pages, on-line, email, internet or intranet - NO EXCEPTIONS. - UPS, [link]
I am not making a profit nor claiming copyright
[link] - I suggest you read #2, and possibly #9 while you're at it.
I've seen both of your arguments more times than I care to count - they
are both standard arguments used by art thieves. This is the first time
I've seen them from anyone in a position of authority, though, let
alone a former CEA staffer.
Like I said before, I'm going to remove the images regardless.
In the time between when I sent my first note and when I received your
first reply, you removed the images from your current journal but not
from previous entries. I assumed this was what you were talking about,
so I reminded you about the old entries. I see that since I sent my
previous note you have removed the images from old entries as well. I
choose not to regard this as purely coincidental.
please don't question my integrity by saying things like "Doesn't it
bother you though, publicly breaking international law and dA policy
while wearing the admin hat?". I am in violation of neither.
As I have shown, you were in violation of both. Quite frankly, this does raise some serious questions about your integrity.
You're more than welcome to contact $realitysquared about my journal
through the helpdesk. If there is indeed a problem I will remove the
CSS faster than I am already.
As I write this, you have already removed the images. Therefore there
is nothing to report, and no problem except that you appear to lack
understanding of, and respect for, copyright and the laws governing it.
This note was sent on February 5. I have received no reply. Instead,
this administrator chose to post a journal entry calling me some fairly
nasty things and then to block me. I am not allowed to provide a link
to that journal entry, but I will quote and respond to a few points in
the journal. I might wonder whether the journal was aimed at me, but
the fact that she blocked me makes it pretty clear. This is also the
reason why I am posting a journal entry instead of trying to talk to
her privately (as I did in the first place).
I make mistakes, we all do
Mistakes are understandable. What I despise is the way in which you responded when I made you aware of your mistake.
the invitation to the drama-fest
That is downright insulting. If I were looking for drama, I would *not*
have begun by sending you a private note politely informing you of the
problem. If I were looking for drama, I would have done one or more of
the following things:
1. Reported you to dA through the Helpdesk.
2. Reported you directly to United Press Syndicate, which handles
everyday copyright matters for the somewhat-reclusive Watterson
3. Gone public. Had I posted this when you still had the images in her
journal, it would have been rather easy for people to figure out who
I'm talking about. As it is I'm posting this journal entry as a public
service announcement, having exhausted all other avenues.
I will not respond to jabs to my character with hate OR with my tail between my legs.
I raised legitimate and meticulously-supported concerns. I would have
liked you to respond with some sort of honesty and integrity.
something I hope makes some sense to someone I consider a friend
I liked you. I didn't consider you a friend, but only because we hadn't
had enough to do with each other. At this point, however, I no longer
want to be your friend. I am amazed that you thought the journal you
posted would improve my opinion of you.
Madam, you have completely lost my respect. I am repelled by the way
you conducted yourself in this matter, including the way in which you
continue to view the matter. I consider your behaviour completely
unacceptable for an administrator, and I (along with a friend or two of
mine who used to like you) have seriously reconsidered who and what you
are.
Note to anyone who reads this:
If you don't know who this is about, please don't ask me here. I will
not tell anyone on dA or any other site, although I will discuss it via
IM with anyone I currently have on my IM contact lists.
EDIT: I will make an exception for any dA admin.
Devious Comments (Add yours)
I'm truly shocked by the particular line (quoting): I don't see a customer. I see someone sitting here for free...
No sub = no respect?! Something to think about...
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It *is* shocking coming from someone whos salary *we* pay.
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*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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Director of Community Development
lolly@deviantart.com
Did you have one~ other than the wholly defensive measure of accustory finger-wagging in the face of being caught out ?
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*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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Richard Hartley
Director of Community Development
lolly@deviantart.com
You know a sure sign of insanity is operating onb the presumption ~ everyone else is unreasonable
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*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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Director of Community Development
lolly@deviantart.com
I will say this one last thing in order to allow you & your staff to retain some credibility and save sone face ~ it is *entirely* illogical to blame the commnuity everytime your public actions EVIDENCE some impropiety or wrongdoing...
LOOK AT YOUR OWN BEHAVIOR & POLICIES!
Its the only thing youre responsible for.
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*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
Holy God your blogs get some controversy?! You should be a lawyer.
I don't actually have anything to say, I just wanted to lighten the mood a bit, so here I go.
I FEEL PREPARED FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE! I have a groovy folder with pretty much everything I could possibly need and soon it will be even groovier when I get my hands on those magazines I left at home and GLORY GLORY for my humble mug of coke slowly melting the ice to my left. At least its not a tall yummy milkshake waiting for me to knock it over, like last night.
xoxox
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Stay crunchy. Even in milk.
I don't actually have anything to say, I just wanted to lighten the mood a bit, so here I go.
I FEEL PREPARED FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE! I have a groovy folder with pretty much everything I could possibly need and soon it will be even groovier when I get my hands on those magazines I left at home and GLORY GLORY for my humble mug of coke slowly melting the ice to my left. At least its not a tall yummy milkshake waiting for me to knock it over, like last night.
xoxox
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Stay crunchy. Even in milk.
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
1, 2, 3, 4... HIGH FIVE!
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Stay crunchy. Even in milk.
I don't actually have anything to say, I just wanted to lighten the mood a bit, so here I go.
I FEEL PREPARED FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE! I have a groovy folder with pretty much everything I could possibly need and soon it will be even groovier when I get my hands on those magazines I left at home and GLORY GLORY for my humble mug of coke slowly melting the ice to my left. At least its not a tall yummy milkshake waiting for me to knock it over, like last night.
xoxox
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Stay crunchy. Even in milk.
I don't actually have anything to say, I just wanted to lighten the mood a bit, so here I go.
I FEEL PREPARED FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE! I have a groovy folder with pretty much everything I could possibly need and soon it will be even groovier when I get my hands on those magazines I left at home and GLORY GLORY for my humble mug of coke slowly melting the ice to my left. At least its not a tall yummy milkshake waiting for me to knock it over, like last night.
xoxox
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Stay crunchy. Even in milk.
I don't think you actually managed to lighten the mood in here, but thanks for making me smile
Oh, and make the most of feeling prepared...
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
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ACCIDENT RETARD
=Sephylight isn't changing his avatar or signature until a public apology is issued to !ShadowGamers and !BadFurDay.
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
He was a truly *good* guy~ a real asset to this community
If you talk to him, tell him he is missed, please?
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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www.duhCoolies.com
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Member of designersCOUCH
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HELP ?
YAY! Good for him
I saw ~surrealist-geek up there too
Do you belong there as well, Darran?
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*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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www.duhCoolies.com
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Member of designersCOUCH
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HELP ?
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
It's shocking these incidents *never* lead them to examine their own behavior, interactions & policies rather than pointing the tired accusatory finger at the community, isn't it?
*I* find myself continually shocked, anyway...It seems so*far* outside the administrative role we *pay* them to uphold in a professional manner.
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
all the hard facts are presented and yet an ignorant administration.
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Member of designersCOUCH
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HELP ?
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
*exactly!!!*
You are some kind of succint-genius or something
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
with stupid power comes stupid irregularities........ hear that and keep that in mind, you might have to look it up time and time again when your around here xD
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Member of designersCOUCH
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HELP ?
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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www.duhCoolies.com
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Member of designersCOUCH
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HELP ?
YOU *found* IT!
Omahgawd. You have to tell me this stuff!
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*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
catch you on chat
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
Yeh! What kind of fucking idiot *doesn't* know that.
Let demean &ridicule them~ FTW!
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
Sigh.
The same old story, told again and again.
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I remember yesterday. I respect tomorrow.
But I live in the here and now.
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
& just when you preemptively begin to recite their tired old script back to them ~ they interrupt you & start at the beginning
<*sigh*, indeed>
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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Push button to turn on. Play with button to drive wild....
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
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Push button to turn on. Play with button to drive wild....
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
Wait a tic...
YOU DO *THAT* WITH YOUR SISTER
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
I think you're operating under some misunderstandings, ma'am - Becky and I have never been romantically involved.
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
We've been best friends for years, but never romantically linked. Running joke for the entire time has been that everyone assumes we're an item
And yes, I am single
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
..That's all I ever need to know
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
I know how hard it is to maintain the rage and the energy on an issue like this. But this rape of other people's artwork MUST STOP. I do not believe it is impossible. Its just hard.
Well done
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Death ain't the career move it used to be!
The Forbidden Library [link]
Books Burnt by the Nazis [link]
Article 58 (RSFSR Penal Code) [link]
I'm not actually trying to maintain any rage here - if I were operating on rage, I would have reported her straight to UPS and publicly named and shamed her. I'm just staying calm, and trying to do what's right.
Thank you, though
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
The fact that she removed the images is irrelevant. The event occurred. The most disturbing aspect is her continued lack of respect for the implications of her actions, and of your concerns. She is unrepentant. It is a fundamental principal of western criminal law to weigh the attitude of the defendant when assessing their culpability.
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Death ain't the career move it used to be!
The Forbidden Library [link]
Books Burnt by the Nazis [link]
Article 58 (RSFSR Penal Code) [link]
UPS's response would have just been a take-down order, which seems somewhat redundant now. I can prove that she was using the images, but what's the point? I mean, what is it going to achieve? I'm not actually out to cause trouble for the admin in question, believe it or not
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
Personally, if I was the copyright holder, I would like to have the choice to ignore the situation.
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Death ain't the career move it used to be!
The Forbidden Library [link]
Books Burnt by the Nazis [link]
Article 58 (RSFSR Penal Code) [link]
O! PS!
I AM *PROUD* of *YOU* for doing the *RIGHT THING* regardless of CONSEQUENCE ( yet again)!!!
You, Sir ~ have one *HELL* of an outstanding character, a healthy set of balls on you, and an astonishingly admirable & unwavering ( back) bone!!!
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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Richard Hartley
Director of Community Development
lolly@deviantart.com
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Tiger? WHERE!?! WHERE!?!
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Richard Hartley
Director of Community Development
lolly@deviantart.com
2. What exactly do you think I should have done about this issue?
3. Thank you for the nickname, Mr Hartley. Again, I appreciate your professionalism. I remind you that my first, second and third actions were private notes to the administrator in question. Only in response both to her dismissive and then angry notes and her insulting journal entry did I eventually post this journal entry.
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
The issues s-g has raised are no laughing matter and are invariably backed up, not with his statements, but by the statements of those who have who are responsible for having caused the issues in the first place.
S-g has shown considerable reservation and respect in situations in which the average person would have taken a very different route. I'm very impressed that he allowed the ripper to take the images down before raising the issue of their very concerning response. You owe dA not getting a take-down order for that, as if it had been brought to the attention before the ripper had a chance to deal with it dA most certainly would have been brought to the attention of UFS. That he had the reservation to do this, and also not post screenshots of the culprit's journals (with their name plastered all over it), is of a caliber of conduct not to be expected from someone in what you seem to be claiming is his position.
Captain Public? "He" would have been sufficient. Handing out nicknames is, at the very least, very unprofessional regardless of the situation.
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Tiger? WHERE!?! WHERE!?!
He's off issue.
Though I understand the want to defend someone as clearly above reproach in this situation as Mr. Heddles; Patty did nothing wrong.
It's dA staff once again ~ who's *public* actions are in question.
To simply run around pointing fingers at the *way* Patty upheld his civic duty ( which as we who know him all know ~ *never* goes against policy) by calling a spade a spade is disingenuous as best, and maliciously asinine at worst.
~
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
And... the battle rages on... another day on dA. To laugh or cry... tis a question that no one can answer.
Well, as Yoda said, there is do or do not. Time to get back to doing.
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Tiger? WHERE!?! WHERE!?!
..& *yes* ~ you communicated your ideas regarding S-G very successfully...I merely didn't want Richard to dilute the matter at hand
~
"Well, as Yoda said, there is do or do not. Time to get back to doing.
Louboutin's are the ones with the red soles
East is east... As the Kipling phrase goes
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
East is east ...
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Tiger? WHERE!?! WHERE!?!
What *is* te administrative equivalent of tinfoilhattery?
Baseless accusations, and triangulated, externalized finger-pointing; I think so.
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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Richard Hartley
Director of Community Development
lolly@deviantart.com
1. You haven't been watching long enough. You might want to check the records, and find out how much money I have directly given to deviantART since I joined in 2003.
2. A major income stream for deviantART is onsite advertising. How many pages have been loaded so that someone could read my words?
to attack the integrity of the site
Not exactly, Mr Hartley. I have, with specific examples and evidence, attacked the integrity of a number of site administrators (yourself included).
Which he has done for months now.
Roughly 18 months, in fact.
If I were truly the person you are trying to paint me as I would have banned him ages ago. But hey, I haven't
Haven't we discussed this already? Given that the link is still in my signature, I had thought you would remember.
Not even after seeing private correspondence between he and I plastered all over the place and so on.
Could you refresh my memory on this? I've just reread my entire journal (including the deleted entries), and I cannot find a single instance of private correspondence to or from you. Publicly accessible comment exchanges on deviantART do not constitute "private correspondence".
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
An unpaid acct is ad space.
You know this.
This ADMINISTRATION attacks its own integrity with its own actions.
Don't like it?
Better do something different.
Patty is smarter than I am. He errs so far on the side of reason and caution you couldn't ban him...Not even in the triangulated politcal fashion I was many times over....
But nevermind that; what about the very public actions taken by a member of *your* staff which are in question on tis journal?
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*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
I have presented here a note exchange. It is unaltered, except that I removed the administrator's name.
In my notes in the exchange displayed above, I present solid evidence in support of each and every fact I state. We researched this thoroughly, building on my considerable prior knowledge of this particular cartoonist's views and rights (as well as international copyright law and dA policy). I checked my facts, my sources and my wording with several friends before sending each note.
I note you only say that I "may be" 'misinformed'. In view of this ambiguity, I pose the following straight questions:
1. Am I mistaken in anything I have said in this journal?
2. If so, exactly what have I said that is incorrect and exactly how does it differ from the truth?
Please provide solid evidence supporting any points you make. If you would like to discuss the matter with a representative of Universal Press Syndicate, I would be more than happy to arrange a meeting. This is not a joke.
If you cannot show me to be 'mistaken' in any of what I have said here, I ask that you issue a public apology for this unfounded personal attack. For anyone reading this who questions my use of the term "personal attack", I recommend the links in my signature as helpful background reading.
I would also like to point out, both for your benefit and for the benefit of all who later read this exchange, that this journal entry contains every piece of information necessary in order to understand the issue at stake here. By the time *CageyButterfly wrote the comment to which you replied, she was in possession of the facts. I note, furthermore, that all of these facts are presented in such a way that any reader can easily verify them.
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
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Richard Hartley
Director of Community Development
lolly@deviantart.com
As can anyone. The difference is that I provide evidence to support my views.
arguing a pint with you is useless as you never bend or even try to see a different view
Even if we accept this view, you have two as-yet-unexplored options available to you:
1. Prove me wrong. When proven wrong, I admit defeat (this has happened here before, albeit not often).
2. Try to explain your point(s) of view to me. Seriously, I would appreciate that. That would have been a far more helpful opening than the personal attack you chose.
once you have set sail on your crusade.
My 'crusade' is that facts be known to all who should know them. That is all. You could save a lot of 'drama' by actually addressing the points I make, rather than attacking me personally.
The fact you are still sporting the sig you have is proof of that alone
Thank you, Mr Hartley. There are certain things I would be unwise to say here, and I appreciate your thoughtfulness in rendering them superfluous.
carry on with your pointless vendetta
This needs no reply. I copy it here only for completeness.
the matter was taken care of several days ago anyhow
Why exactly was this not the content of your first comment on this journal entry? Serious question. Incidentally, I still have the option of reporting this incident to UPS. For that matter, it's entirely likely that Watterson himself might want all Calvin & Hobbes fanart on dA to be taken down.
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
I'm afraid I can't understand what she was thinking, to think her use of those images was acceptable in the first place. Strike one for me. Still, that's a mistake and I've already said (although possibly not in public) that I could easily have forgiven that mistake. The sticking point is her determined insistence that she wasn't doing anything wrong, despite proof to the contrary.
So anyway, my first note arrives in her inbox. She thanks me, blows it off but removes the images from her current journal. She's still woefully ill-informed about copyright law (and even dA policy), and thinks I'm worrying about nothing.
I get her reply, think WTF? Think it over, talk it over with some friends, check my facts very thoroughly. Eventually send my second note.
She gets my second note, is offended by my line about publicly breaking international law and dA policy while wearing the admin hat? (remnant of a paragraph otherwise discarded for being too harsh). Fires off a self-righteous and very indignant reply, still believing herself not to have done anything wrong. I consider the ignorance unacceptable for an administrator (especially ex-CEA), but on a personal level it's entirely forgivable.
I get her second note, experience that familiar WTF moment. Check and recheck my sources to make sure I haven't somehow made a monumental mistake, and then draft a note intended to be as polite as possible while still being absolutely clear. Again, friends proof-reading for me and helping me tone it down considerably before I send it.
She posts a journal entry making some fairly nasty comparisons (not repeated here since people could then identify her), and basically says I was being a big meanie. At no stage has she admitted to breaking any law, as far as I'm aware (obviously I don't know everything that happens behind closed doors).
I post this journal for two main reasons:
1. Because I believe that this story should be available to the community
2. To respond to her journal (her blocking me precludes any other form of contact, as far as I'm aware).
You see this journal in your message centre, figure out who I'm talking about (if you hadn't already heard her side), and post an inexplicable cheap shot. Seriously, I cannot understand how you could have thought such a jab would help matters in the slightest.
I don't really need to give your view of me - you have already done so elsewhere in these comments. Stand by for appropriate replies. Frankly, I think you're in over your head yet again.
OK, that's it for my attempt to understand how you and she view this matter. Stand by for my usual style, in which I dissect your comment and deal appropriately with each point.
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
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Richard Hartley
Director of Community Development
lolly@deviantart.com
You appear in light of the response you've chosen ~ to be overwhelmed by the evidence. FYI.
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*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
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These two comments, I feel, are the extent of what sarcasm can usefully be applied here.
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
Stop using loaded words to attack your customers.
Every reasonable person knows he raised reasonable, well-thought-out-concerns.
Did the conversation on the sig happen
Well, then you are accountable for it as long as the interet exists.
FTR: It's this administration that never bends ~ even when presented with *proof* ( which I am sure you realize is greater than mere evidece; as evidence can be looked at from numerous perspectives.)
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Not according to Copyright Laws.
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You're clearly venturing into in scary black & white criminal La-La-Land, Richard.
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*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
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Nut do you guys want to see that? No you just want to scapegoat another admin and add it to your list of supposed fuck ups on behalf of the administration. It grows wearisome and eventually the more weary one gets, the more cranky they get.
But heres another thing since I actually do research this stuff. At the very most we would have gotten an inquiry requesting to remove the images, if they would have even bothered with that at all. ANd
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Richard Hartley
Director of Community Development
lolly@deviantart.com
Mr Hartley, I remind you that the administrator in question publicly violated US and international law for a significant period of time (and that this use could easily be viewed as commercial use by deviantART). I remind you also that I still have solid proof of this. Frankly, the only reason I have not reported this to UPS is that I prefer not to hurt this administrator any further.
Nut do you guys want to see that?
Did you give us the chance? It is nonsensical to accuse us of dismissing your explanation when you hadn't given it. For the record, that is precisely what I wanted to see.
you just want to scapegoat another admin
Until less than two weeks ago, I liked her quite a lot. I thought she was a geniunely sweet person. She is not the admin I would choose if I were looking for a scapegoat.
At the very most we would have gotten an inquiry requesting to remove the images, if they would have even bothered with that at all
I disagree. You forget that Mr Watterson is an exceptional case.
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
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Richard Hartley
Director of Community Development
lolly@deviantart.com
Here it is again~ ( in case in your fevor to posture defensively & triangulate an attack against me yet again you missed the entire point of this journal & *your* conversation with a customer)
[link]
Thank you for your time & careful consideration.
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*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
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Why don't you do your job.
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*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
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This is something you clearly undertand; else you would not have taken the action you did.
I understand that is all the action you *could* take with regard to this particular situation.
What what about a largely juvenile community watching a misinformed staff abuse copyright laws & then by way of silence implying ~ as long as you don't get caught red-handed it's ok."?
...& similarly ~ what about artists who subit works here?...What faith can they have in an administration that doesn't know the first thing about using world famous cartoons in it's CSS?
So, you see~ your defensive posturing and accusatory finger-pointing will do nothing to remedy this prescedent-setting poo-pooing & outright dismissal of artists copyrights.
It exacerbates it.
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*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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Richard Hartley
Director of Community Development
lolly@deviantart.com
That's very different than saying "Thanks for taking pride in him doing the "right thing" regardless of how misinformed he may be!
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Tiger? WHERE!?! WHERE!?!
You dug your own graves.
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We deal with cases of this with normal users all the time and we give them some time to fix it
That's nice. You ~ the administration~ are not "normal users".
How is it you~ not being a total moron~ do not grasp the significance of this?
It's your job to know better.
You failed miserably.
& in so doing your administration violated copyright law ~ while YOU personally cover it up, &! worst of all ~ you let the *entre* community of actual arists ~ whose rights it is in dA's business interest to have a *strong* interest in.
THAT, Richard~
They couldn't possibly be paying you enough to act like a total corporate schill.
Do I make my self clear now?
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*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
Excellent!
And the whole journal is put together so very well and thought-through!
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
Kindly provide evidence to the contrary then, Richard...Rather than implying ~surrealist-geek is a liar in some sideways manner.
Otherwise~ rationally~ you must realize ~ it's just your word against his...& we know nobody's paying him for his.
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*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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Comment on unknown artists:
Digital / Photos / Traditional
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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Comment on unknown artists:
Digital / Photos / Traditional
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
My dear, you are a treasure.
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
No worries
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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ACCIDENTRETARD ACCIDENTRETARD ACCIDENTRETARD!
yay community!
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
...are you trying to seduce me? And if so, why aren't you on IM?
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
Yup~ on yahoo currently~ you
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*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
I was off having breakfast, but still online. I'm on now, and you're not
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
*foppish*...Yesterday, today~ & tomorrow
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
men use other crap
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SAVE THE ALIEN!
*CageyButterfly absolutely adores self-congratulatory people.
They're so easy to please...
[link]
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Tiger? WHERE!?! WHERE!?!
That, by the way, was two steps further than what I got to (though I was marginally too nice to threaten it outright). She forestalled that (and the intermediate step of reporting here on dA) by removing the images, all without ever admitting she'd done anything wrong.
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
Getting in touch with an artist, or at least their agent, is a fairly easy thing, even for a retired artist.
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Tiger? WHERE!?! WHERE!?!
I could easily get in touch with UPS, but I don't see any particular need to now. A take-down order would be somewhat redundant at this point, and that would have been their first response.
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
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Tiger? WHERE!?! WHERE!?!
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
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Tiger? WHERE!?! WHERE!?!
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
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ACCIDENTRETARD ACCIDENTRETARD ACCIDENTRETARD!
yay community!
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$lolly defends $spyed's breaking of the rules, and then refuses to discuss it.
"leading and confrontational and has an agenda"
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